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The man who would be PM (again)

Staff |  26 June 2013


Watch A Discerning Conversation with Kevin Rudd in its entirety, featuring the former prime minister in conversation with human rights Lawyer Fr Frank Brennan SJ on the theme Things That Matter.

Hosted by ABC News Political and Social Media Reporter Latika Bourke, this inaugural A Discerning Conversation With ... event was held to mark the 21st Birthday of Eureka Street. Other speakers include Fr Bill Uren SJ — Rector of Newman College; Tim Kroenert — Assistant Editor of Eureka Street; Fr Andrew Hamilton SJ — Consulting Editor of Eureka Street. Carillo Gantner Theatre, Sidney Myer Asia Centre, Melbourne, 5.30pm, 17 August 2012.



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This item is of great use to us in a Catholic school for both Religion and Ethics and Politics. Is it possible to purchase it so that we can use it again in the future? Is this a permanent link?

Jennifer Osborne 24 August 2012

The introduction by staff was enough for me, I didn't bother watching the interview as nothing would've added to it.
"Forgive and forget and just a little bit of payback".
One either forgives, forgets, turn the other cheek, or fights back, any other is sinister as far as I'm concerned.
In relation to the latter: There comes a time when evil men who have smitten you on both cheeks, will demand of you your very soul, take away your liberty, and place you in shackles.
I can't take the credit for the saying, because I don't recall who wrote it many years ago, but that's where I fit in.
Maybe Aurelius would know.

L Newington 25 August 2012

L Newington, I did watch the whole of the discerning conversation and found it interesting if not always riveting. K Rudd still has the knack of asking the ubiquitous "You know what?" in the middle of a discourse (annoying!) but I can forgive him for that. His political adversaries (within his own party) have proved that politics is not for the faint-hearted and Rudd's harrowing reaction to losing the prime ministership is etched on my mind. My quote about politics comes from George Orwell: "Political language....is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

Pam 26 August 2012

Hi Jennifer - Thanks for your interest. This is a permanent link, so the video can be viewed here any time. At this stage we have no plans to make the video available for purchase.

Tim Kroenert - Assistant Editor 27 August 2012

I have no knowledge of such a saying. When all is said and done, despite all the suffering we humans inflict on each other. But I will borrow two verses from The Cure at Troy: Human beings suffer, they torture one another, they get hurt and get hard. No poem or play or song can fully right a wrong inflicted or endured. History says, Don't hope on this side of the grave. But then, once in a lifetime the longed for tidal wave of justice can rise up, and hope and history rhyme. And the rest is worth reading, and this poem is proof that the revelation of the Word continues - this time through Seamus Heaney.

AURELIUS 27 August 2012

As always, beautifully said, thank you.

L Newington 27 August 2012

Upon further reflection of your thoughts L NEWINGTON, I get the feeling the "little bit of payback" was an honest admission of reality rather than an idealistic moral goal. I don't think the rough and tumble of Australian politics could be be regarded as sinister. Turning the other cheek is something reserved to significant justice issues when people someone is representing a just cause, not the superficial and fleeting role playing in internal politics and sport. I shudder at the thought of what human action could possibly demand someones soul, for soul is integral to our personhood and humanity, and it survives even in the depths of depravity. There may be a loss of collective soul in political decisions that are made in the interests of expediency or popularity, but eventually, even if it takes years after they retire, they start to speak with soul and integrity again about issues. Such a pity the wisdom of past leaders like Fraser, Peacock, Keating and Hawke is merely regarded as sideline commentary and doesn't make it into the party rooms policy making processes.

AURELIUS 27 August 2012

Intrinsic evil calls to be addressed irrespective of who it is that commits it, politician, pope, calathumpian or priest. "If it is true that evil is evil, that God hates it to the point of the cross, and that there is a moral law fixed in what God is in Himself, then christians should be the first into the field against what is wrong". That mentality came with me from my "Noncomformist" upbringing. I will never understand how Catholics can desecrate one another's lives to protect the institutional church, it's so against our faith, the gospels and everything I have ever been taught as a Catholic. I became a fast learner.

L Newington 28 August 2012

Why are our boys getting killed to make the N W O richer?

brian ray 30 August 2012

All very civilised comment on what was a brutal execution. History will be kind to Julia - she was a great PM - as it has been kind ot Malcolm Fraser. Sadly, I concede that it had to happen because giving Abbott a free run to the top job would be have been even worse. Now we wait for another few weeks until the Opposition panic and decide to bring back the patrician Malcolm Turnbull to replace the bully boy.

Frank 27 June 2013

I am usually a faithful Labor voter, but after last night's performance - I am going to sack them at the upcoming election. Their incompetence meant that I was unable to watch my favourite ABC comedy shows last night - Adam Hills and QI - which I as a taxpayer paid for and look forward to after a hard day at work. Why should both ABCNews24 AND ABC1 have to broadcast the same bumbling to tomfoolery at the same time? Poltics has now invaded my personal life unecessarily and I'm drawing a line for Labor - get professional or get out! For this election I think you know already that will be the case.

AURELIUS 27 June 2013

How does Eureka St cope with Kevin Rudd's support for gay marriage. This is a direct assault on the basis of western society. Yes, many things matter, but surely this baseline assault needs to be critiqued in a more effective way, of course respecting persons, but critiquing the mistaken - nay, evil policy.

Skye 29 June 2013

"Report cards" and "analysis". The same old Kevin is back.....The way in which Kevin responded to that member of his audience who validly questioned the lack of opporrtunity for non-indigenous Australians to be taught indigenous languages, was dismissive and insulting.. I never doubted that Kevin would lead Labor into the next election (as I've commented on this blog). What fascinates me is that the philosophers, academics and moralists can listen to this hyperbole, for example..."carving out a space in our national discourse", I notice that Frank Brennan was starting to twitch with embarrasment before Kevin had finished. Here's another couple of predictions: Labor cannot win the next election, and Kevin not having enough political nous to have joined a faction, will not lead his party after the election That will be little Billy's job. Kevin might liisten to Telemaque: "Service.... Ability.....Worth! ...Nonesense! Forget it, just join a clique! Priests should stay out of politics. To quote Fleury: "Ä virtuous priest who DOES NOT MEDDLE is a Godsend for a village".

Claude Rigney 30 June 2013

Skye said 'This (gay marriage) is a direct assault on the basis of western society'. How so, Skye, and why only on 'western society'?

Ginger Meggs 30 June 2013

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