Making space for conversation

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Anyone interested in the United States Catholic world will have noticed the sharp differences of opinion among Catholics and Catholic publications about many areas of church and national life. Some commentators claim that it amounts to a schism. In Australia there is similar polarisation, but no talk of schism — Australians don’t do disaster movies. In both nations the exchanges within churches echo trends in national life that heighten disagreements, lessen respect, and tend to confine conversation circles to people of similar views. People become annoyed if those opposing their views gatecrash their forums. This trend creates problems for Church sponsored publications.

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Participants in Catholic conversations often accuse their opponents of politicising faith. Sometimes the charge is true. It is easy to seek support for political allegiance by appealing to faith. One blatant example was of Donald Trump conspicuously holding a Bible when photographed outside a Washington church. Such practices, of course, are not confined to one side of politics.

In contemporary public conversation, however, something more than politicisation is involved. It has three characteristics. First, it is partisan. It represents a particular kind of politics in which opinions are stated and positions framed in opposition to one’s enemies. Participants are less concerned to commend their own beliefs than to discredit those of their opponents. They appeal to listeners to barrack for their opinions, not to reflect on them. In such a world to be undecided is a sign of weakness.

Second, much contemporary public conversation is programmatic. Participants come to it with a package of convictions that are seen to belong together. As a result when observers see one position taken they can be reasonably certain of a range of other views that will be held. If speakers are enthusiastic about Pope Francis, for example, we conclude that they are also likely to see climate change as a religious issue and to be unfazed about the legalisation of same sex marriage. The corollary of this expectation that if someone is unpredictable, as for example, by strongly endorsing both the Black Lives Matter and the Right to Life movements, listeners will be puzzled or even feel a sense of betrayal.

Third, as a consequence of its partisan and programmatic character, public conversation is characteristically simplified. It focuses on only a few of the multitude of complex relationships that are involved in any human affair. Freedom of speech is defined narrowly as the right of individual speakers to speak, omitting the relationships created by speech with other persons and the groups and society from which they are part. Issues are reduced to simple sets of relationships that determine them, with the complexity of human relationships lost sight of. In any serious conversation within society these subtle and diverse relationships bear respectful conversation. When conversation is narrowed, the space for understanding is also narrowed.

This narrowing has made it difficult for any publication sponsored by a faith-based organisation to sustain conversation that encourages public reflection on all salient relationships involved in public issues. On the one hand it must move outside the specific language and conceptuality of the tribe to engage its participants in a public language. On the other hand it must work from the moral centre that lies at the heart of its faith tradition.

In the Catholic tradition, that centre is the claim that each human being has an inalienable dignity that forbids anyone to be treated as a means to other goals, whether of profit, security or unity. Furthermore no human being is an isolated individual, but each must be seen in relationship to other people and to the larger world. As a consequence, every human action, whether by individuals, by social groups or by governments has a social license.

 

'It is about exploring the myriad of relationships that are interlocked in any of the ethical decisions that we face as human beings. This means that no subject can be taken off the table.'

 

The difficulty facing Catholic sponsored magazines in the public conversation arises from the fact that some conclusions Catholics have drawn from the dignity of each human being are widely seen as incompatible with one another. The inalienable dignity of each human being underlies not only the received Catholic accounts of inequality, respect for the environment, warfare, slavery and racial discrimination. It also underlies the accounts of gender relationships, abortion and euthanasia. In public conversation these are seen to belong to different and opposed packages.

The challenge that this polarisation poses lies in the pressure that its exerts on magazines to yield to a programmatic, oversimplified and partisan understanding of conversation. Under the pressure of readers who, in the name of the magazine’s moral centre, expect the magazines to endorse their raft of positions and to condemn that of their opponents, they will be tempted to exclude arguments favouring one side in contested issues, or to leave the issues untouched on the grounds that the conflicting opinions are too firmly locked in.

That is understandable in a magazine directed to a church audience. But it would be regrettable in a magazine that hopes to encourage broad and civil public conversation. Its task is to commend the human values enshrined in its moral centre while challenging narrow human judgments. It is about exploring the myriad of relationships that are interlocked in any of the ethical decisions that we face as human beings. This means that no subject can be taken off the table. It also means recognising that people who come to contradictory conclusions can help one another to come to a deeper understanding of the rich complexity of the world. The acknowledgment of the dignity of each human being demands no less.

 

 

Andrew HamiltonAndrew Hamilton is consulting editor of Eureka Street, and writer at Jesuit Social Services.

Main image: Steeple of church (Akira Hojo/Unsplash)

Topic tags: Andrew Hamilton, Julian Assange, Wikileaks, A Secret Australia, freedom of speech

 

 

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Thanks Andrew I for one am always happy to read articles that present different theological or biblical viewpoints that promote human dignity and freedom from abuse ignorance or exploitation. I am happy to read viewpoints that challenge dogma and doctrine developed in times past including matters of sexuality and marriage. Ongoing revelation of God is our Christian duty and not just the province of hierarchical leadership.
Ray Cleary | 04 February 2021


To be a Christian does not mean that one has a monopoly on the belief of a moral centre. A person can have no faith in a deity and yet have all the characteristics of a moral life. We will all meet moral ambiguities in our journey through life. And church publications can expand our understanding of these complex ambiguities in a respectful and non-combative way. Any church which does not have room for conversation about issues of this nature can rightly said to be partisan. Maybe Australians don't do disaster movies, Andy, but we can certainly be open enough to question the status quo. If we are given the right encouragement!
Pam | 04 February 2021


Eureka Street, like the House of Commons, is a forum. Even though no forum, in practice, is totally inclusive of all values, disallowing discussion is governed more by culturally shared senses of distaste of the participants of the forum. If the House of Commons can accommodate discussion as to whether the Monarchy or the Lords should be abolished (both of which in law it could do without referendum), ES, in the same spirit of discussion, can accommodate discussion as to whether the Magisterium should be changed to accommodate same sex marriage, transgenderism or some restrained regime of abortion or euthanasia, or whether there is such a thing as Magisterium. Arguing that the discussion should be blocked on the grounds of treason or blasphemy in the context of God-granted free will will simply adjourn the debate to another debate about whether or not the topic is treasonous or blasphemous. Controversy is not over whether a value can be advocated but whether, in doing so, a proponent negates his or her own argument by contradicting the ordered correlation of another value of him or her to the value discussed. Controverting each other’s logical consistency is traditional work for discussion fora.
roy chen yee | 04 February 2021


Ray Cleary. you have highlighted God's ongoing revelation of his creation to we struggling mortals and the fact that formal doctrine and dogma has been shackled , sometimes for centuries, by the created theology of formal religious practice. The recognition of revelation as God inspired, is, as you suggest, one of the responsibilities that rests with us as God's hopefully attentive and trusting children rather than with the opinions of some with vested interests - such as some hierarchical, career clergymen, and theoretical philosophers. Catholic teaching often finds itself at odds with science and the discovery of previously hidden truths of God's creation. Why?? God alone knows - but I suspect there is a very good reason why our creator chooses to reveal himself in dribs and drabs over many centuries. No doubt he understands that we are generally prone to misunderstanding and creatures of habit - unfortunately not always well-founded habit!!
john frawley | 04 February 2021


I am an admirer of Andrew Hamilton's contributions. However on this occasion I have found myself floundering to connect his observations to the asserted problem facing faith-based publications. In a nutshell this article is very much "beating about the bush". If Andrew could have pinpointed some instances that demonstrate that problem and its impact, his proposition would be more easily understood. I don't think I would be Robinson Crusoe in being unfamiliar with the word "programmatic". Following research I understand its use is appropriate. Perhaps Andrew could have spelled out for us its meaning.
Peter Hutchinson | 04 February 2021


When the guiding journalistic principle was, “Find out what’s going on, and print it”, a conservative journalist Auberon Waugh trusted a fellow Marxist journalist, Paul Foot, saying, “We all sought his approval.” Now, truth and objectivity are out. Stanford University professor of journalism, Ted Glasser, says journalists should abandon objectivity in favour of social justice—a nebulous concept that can mean whatever you want it to mean. Former New York Times foreign editor, Chris Hedges, sees publishers now bowing to these trends driven by schools of journalism: “The press…has largely given up on journalism. It has retreated into echo chambers that only speak to true believers. This catering exclusively to one demographic, which sets it against another demographic, is commercially profitable. But it also guarantees the balkanization of the United States.” But surely the Catholic Church teaches with clarity? Ralph Martin’s book, “A Church in Crisis”, highlights a major problem: “One of the most remarkable features of Francis’s papacy is the consistent refusal to clarify public statements and actions of his that cause confusion and controversy in the Church...Pope Francis seems to stir up division and confusion which he refuses to address.” No wonder the citizenry/parishioners are confused!
Ross Howard | 04 February 2021


In 1948 there was a BBC radio debate on the Existence of God between Bertrand Russell and Frederick Copleston SJ. This debate is still used in the UK in A Level Theology to show how a respectful debate with no ad hominem attacks should be conducted Were we to follow this example!
Edward Fido | 04 February 2021


1 of 2: “Proverbs 29:18: “Without vision, the people perish”. We need to ‘be’ before we can ‘give’ the “The Moral Centre” Vision/Message. So, the vision today is to put an end to the war within our divided hearts/church…. Attach bayonets! courage and glory are the cry, do or die/ First over the Parapet/ John leads the ferocious attack/ While opposing Hans reciprocates the advance to the death dance/ In crater of mud both stood / Eye meets eye one must die/ But who would hold true to the Christian creed they knew? / ‘To be’ the sign the Cross, / To ‘give’ without counting the cost /Abandon bayonet, bowed head, bending knee, faith/love the other did see/ Worldly values gone from the other humility now holding the same song…. Gentleness is our Lord’s Creed, worldly glory He did not need. But of course, this was not the reality of all Christians who went into battle or in other difficult real-life situations today, so ‘to be’ necessitates self-knowledge in relation to the First Commandment before we can truly ‘give’ Christian Charity to our neighbour We find self-knowledge as we reflect in faith on the living Word/Will of God within the Gospels while The Holy Spirit prompts/enlightens our understand of our own brokenness which leads to humility (St Bernard, Humility; a virtue by which a man knowing himself as he truly is, abases him-self). So, we need to be readied in our own hearts if we are to walk with the Holy Spirit in humility as a humble heart is His known dwelling place while encouraging others to do the same. Our Lord Himself in this present time has given His Church ‘a vision of hope’ to embrace humility via the True Divine Mercy Image that is one of Broken Man which from my uneducated understanding has the potential to draw the Church into a new dawn, as in the manifestation of a truly humble church/people before God and ‘all whom we meet’, in the world…Continue
Kevin Walters | 04 February 2021


2 of 2: As when the Truth is embraced honestly, it will induce humility within the heart. A Truthful heart will never cover its tracks (Past) or hide from its shortcomings, and in doing so, confers authenticity, as it walks in its own vulnerability/weakness/brokenness in trust/faith before God and mankind. It is a heart to be trusted, as it ‘dispels’ darkness within its own self/ego, in serving God (Truth) first, before any other. If we walk His ‘Way’ we will eventually accept ourselves and then each other in wholeheartedness, while we are led along the path/Way of spiritual enlightenment, the ongoing transformation of the human heart, a moist heart, a gentle tearful one, one of compassion, where eventual it is not possible to judge another individual harshly, for to do so would be to judge/condemn one’s self. Rather in our humility, we would want for all our brothers and sisters no matter what their state of being, that which we have been given ourselves, His known gift of Divine Mercy, which can only be known/accepted in a humble/Vulnerable heart, before Him because is that not what Christianity (Love of God) is all about. kevin your brother In Christ. Please consider continuing this theme given in my posts via the link. https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/01/17/united-states-of-america-in-2021/#comment-238298
Kevin Walters | 04 February 2021


Thought provoking as usual Andrew. Over the half century or so that I have been reading Catholic publications in paper form at first, now in electronic form, I have noticed a trend away from dogmatic pronouncements, usually with the explicit approval of the local Bishop, sometimes politically partisan -Mannix was before my time,Gilroy was well known for his conservative views , Pell, I will refrain from comment. These days I find Catholic media voices to be very muted, generally staying out of contentious issues altogether .That is a shame as there are many social , environmental and cultural issues affecting Catholics that are in need of an expression in the absence of a voice in the popular mainstream media. The exception is Eureka Street which I have read now for over two decades, I think? . I have not seen any other Catholic media challenge its readership as well as E.S. does, but maybe I have not seen them on line while browsing the "Net".
Gavin O'Brien | 04 February 2021


The essence of the sin of dissent is not disobedience to authority. Disobedience is merely a chosen outcome of dissent, a separate sin not to bend the will. The essence of the sin of dissent, by creatures gifted by God with mind, is the predilection of mind since the Fall to make perverse sense. The rationality of God precedes and is external to the mind, which is only gifted so homo sapiens, unlike, say, carassius auratus, can train it to apperceive the complex of that rationality and, also, the satanic rationalisations which try to look like it under the guise of love.
roy chen yee | 05 February 2021


As Pam stated "Christians don't have a monopoly on the belief of a moral centre'. Talking with my grandchildren(17 to 27yrs) allows me to value them as decent humans. Their world view tempered by the ambiguities they face in today's world encourages thought that is sometimes outside "my' square. We respect each other and above all listen . Likewise I am grateful for articles that objectively aid understanding, explore different facets of an issue, suggest courses of action, and highlight the right to hold different views due to well thought out reasons. For E.S to unearth truth, eliminating vested interests aids the moral growth of its readers .
Celia | 05 February 2021


Fr Andrew we are lucky to be able to express our opinions and if no subject can be taken off the table then comparative social systems should be examined. I turn to China. According to the PRC Constitution, the "Four Cardinal Principles" supersede citizenship rights. Those whom authorities perceive to be in compliance with these principles are permitted to enjoy and exercise all the rights that come with citizenship, provided they do not violate PRC laws in any other manner. Wikipedia. 1. The principle of upholding the socialist path 2. The principle of upholding the people's democratic dictatorship 3. The principle of upholding the leadership of the Communist Party of China (CPC) 4. The principle of upholding Mao Zedong Thought and Marxism–Leninism (Tell that to a Falon Gong or Uighar). These principles are inviolate. Transgress them and into the crowbar motel you go. Meanwhile the disparity in wealth between the rich and poor in China has become a yawning gulf. More than 90% of China's richest people are Party members. China's national anthem may exhort the downtrodden, "arise, those who refuse to be slaves," but these days, those who want to get rich join the Party, and the Party wants the rich to join it. That way, wealth stays concentrated in the hands of its members, who have little incentive to change the system. The richest 75 members of China's legislature, the National People's Congress, have an average net worth of $1.2bn. China boasts 476 billionaires. Mao breaking bread with the peasants in a poor village is a memory shrouded in the mists of time.
Francis Armstrong | 05 February 2021


Amen Edward. If only...
Ginger Meggs | 06 February 2021


Eureka Street is a publication of the Society of Jesus. As such it aims to be an observer of and participant in the square of public conversation. Andrew Hamiliton as a Consulting Editor, in my view, is a sharp-eyed observer of and a generous particpant in the public discourse. So when he sees such discourse as being partisqn, programmatic and pared of all nuance. Andrew called it simplified but I wanted a third P for alliteration and memorability. Partisanship is understandable for us who have been brought up in democracy where people organise themselves into Parties. These Parties have Programmes. Now while these Programmes may be lenghty and complicated each Party has an indvidual or a team resonsible to paring this Programme down to talking points. While the Catholic Church has metaphors to bolster the ideal of Unity - Christ's Mystical Body, Holy Mother Church, the People of God, for example - truth is it is divided structurally between Clergy & Laity: Conservatives who yearn for a pre-Vat2 church nad Progressives who want more implementation of Vat2 reforms. People look for simple solutions. There aren't any. We have to accept the world is a messy place. Let's talk about it.
Uncle Pat | 06 February 2021


To have an intelligent conversation on religion you need to know what you're talking about and to be able to express it concisely without waffle.
Edward Fido | 07 February 2021


Purgatory exists because the good die imperfect, Heaven, logically, cannot contain imperfection, so some type of cleansing is needed. Human observation tells us that for the sinner to express sorrow without understanding completely through the emotions what s/he should be sorry for never feels like perfect contrition to the victim. It’s actually quite a reasonable idea which the black and first nations reparations concept exploits. ‘Voice to parliament’ is an ideal human (which means liable to neurosis) purgatorial experiment to keep picking at the sore so that the guilty are led ever more to feel their guilt more finely, a continual revelation that never ends, unlike re-education in the real Purgatory. Neurosis aside, human purgatory, exemplified by reparations, black lives and #MetToo movements, correctly states that the purpose of moral philosophy is not to find ways of exculpating because the world is ‘messy’ or ‘ambiguous’ but to discover the location of indictment despite the obscuring effects of those characteristics. Liberal Christianity (and even traditional Christians) behave like lawyers, directing moral philosophy ab initio to find ways of declaring how we can, somewhat like fish, be submerged in and oxygenated by a moral environment we cannot escape, without being implicated.
roy chen yee | 08 February 2021


The Catholic Church is going through a time of real ferment as it moves further into the 21st Century facing a myriad challenges which were undreamt of when I was growing up in the 1960s. American Catholics are far more vocal and polarised then we are. It's the nature of their country. Some of them are basically calling the Pope the Anti-Christ. There is much of the Malachy Martin conspiracy theory nonsense to this. Others want the Pope to be far more radical than he could possibly be. To me it's a wee bit like during the Renaissance. There were Christian humanists then, like Erasmus and John Colet, who were accused of all sorts of things. They were not guilty of any of them. It is a pity their wisdom and moderation did not obtain. The Western World may well have been spared the evils of the Wars of Religion. We need men and women like them now. They do exist. Their voices are not as strident as the extremists on either side and we need to listen to them.
Edward Fido | 09 February 2021


Edward Fido: ‘….myriad challenges….vocal and polarised…. wisdom and moderation ….extremists….’ ‘What’ only exists so ‘why’ can be asked. If these extracts from what you say are the ‘whats’, the question is why ‘myriad challenges’ exist. Ross Howard has it right. People should justify what they want, as you’ve said elsewhere, ‘concisely and without waffle.’ Life is simple. The theological rules, which are there to show us how God is consistent and without shadow of change, are well-known. If somebody wants to change them, they should say clearly how they can be without intellectual inconsistency and denial of God’s consistency. ‘[M]yriad challenges’, like ‘messy’, ‘ambiguous’ and ‘contradiction’, are excuses for the present-day outcomes of deviancies committed a long time ago, invisibly and unnoticed, by people who did not remember, or chose not, to adhere to the rules. An inch in deviation, if uncorrected, will take an ocean liner miles off its path. What some are arguing for is for the Barque of Peter to hallow a misbegotten course because it is too far or hard to return to the proper route. Benedict Coleridge’s article addresses the same point in a secular context, the ideology that really exists behind pragmatism and ‘moderation.’
roy chen yee | 10 February 2021


The hostility, usually violent, exhibited by cancel-culture activists and by a secular media that often ignores reasoned Christian argument - especially on issues such as marriage, abortion and euthanasia - makes "conversation" increasingly difficult, and the necessity of forums where informed discussion and debate are valued a matter of some urgency - not only for reasons of presenting the Christian faith but also for the health of a democratic society.
John RD | 10 February 2021


I read your last post with the usual difficulty, Roy, as your admixture of various examples seems to wander all over the place and I find your syntax tortured. By being unnecessarily tortuous you make it a trial. Chesterton said what he said about Catholicism and the Orthodoxy within it with a masterful conciseness. You would do well to study and try to emulate him. As a matter of fact, you do not seem to have got my simple point about Erasmus and Colet living in an Age very much like ours. They were both perfectly Orthodox and were trying to harness the New Learning to the service of the Church. Had their reasonable and humane example succeeded I doubt we would have had the horrors, such as the Wars of Religion, which followed the Reformation. The current Pope, Francis, to me is very much in the Erasmus/Colet tradition. He is trying to bring people together. I find the intellectually and verbally tortuous stand you take on behalf of a specious 'orthodoxy' off putting and counterproductive.
Edward Fido | 11 February 2021


Edward Fido: ‘I find the intellectually and verbally tortuous stand you take on behalf of a specious 'orthodoxy' off putting and counterproductive.’ If you understood my post –how else would you know the ‘orthodoxy’ is ‘specious’ – you should have pointed out where I was wrong, otherwise you’re only complaining about style. Does ES exist to correct style or substance? A recurring feature of your posts is name-dropping, which is not the same thing as citing authority. When you name-drop, you insinuate without proof that an authority is supporting your stance (which, incidentally, doesn’t appear to be much more than let’s be nice to each other, a long way from the Great Commission). When you cite (and this thread in a serious journal is, at least, semi-academic), you show you know your stuff by paraphrasing what the authority said to demonstrate you have its support. (Or the teacher deducts marks for plagiarism.) If Chesterton is so concise, it shouldn’t be hard to paraphrase him as an example of how I (and others) should write. In God we trust, Edward, everyone else (including you) pays cash. Of course, if you didn’t understand my post, your 176 words ended in an illogic.
roy chen yee | 11 February 2021


I have read your last bizarre, intellectually contorted and vastly verbally over-prolix pseudo-answer to me, Roy and I am, as usual, dumbfounded by what purports to be an adequate response. It seems blatantly obvious you know nothing of the Renaissance or some of its major characters, such as Erasmus, who facilitated the revival of the knowledge of Greek, which led to a new and vital revival in Biblical Studies. I tend to believe any intelligent commentator on Western Christianity would know something of this. Likewise, I suggest you know next to nothing of G K Chesterton, the celebrated English Catholic convert, novelist, short story writer, playwright, poet and Christian apologist of the Late 19th and Early 20th Century. Most well read Catholics of my generation would be familiar with some of his novels, such as 'The Man who was Thursday', the Father Brown stories and possibly some of his polemic works like 'Orthodoxy'. It is normal, in intelligent society, when discussing something, to expect the other person to know something of what you both are discussing, otherwise there's no point. I am beginning to believe that there is no point discussing these matters with you, as, unlike Eliza Doolittle, you don't 'get it'.
Edward Fido | 12 February 2021


Now, it’s a 203 word non-answer to the quite reasonable question as to how you can say my ‘orthodoxy’ is specious if you couldn’t understand my post. Conversations begin with a baseline and social phenomena such as Black Lives, Invasion Day, etc. etc. shows that shared understanding of the meaning of historical events should not be assumed. The difference between our posts is granularity and ownership of argument. Granularity, very simply, is making sure that for each opinion proffered, a trail of reasoning is provided. Name-dropping is sleight of hand, not reasoning. As Chesterton, Erasmus and Colet are not Doctors of the Church, there is no prima facie expectation that they must be believed. Ownership of argument is more or less showing in your own words why you think they are correct. An opinion offered by itself doesn’t confirm its correctness, a good example being an unsubstantiated opinion of yours in ‘Commending Faith’ which can be argued to be wrong. The purpose of Father Hamilton’s article is precisely to address our ‘situation’ here: ’People become annoyed if those opposing their views gatecrash their forums.’ Curling into a ball and hissing at the gatecrasher, paradoxically, shows why it was needed.
roy chen yee | 13 February 2021


Roy, your ripostes are beginning to have something of the flavour of Nigel Molesworth (Look him up on Wikipedia). I think I have to treat you as what is known in Law as a vexatious litigant and leave well enough alone.
Edward Fido | 16 February 2021


Roy (5/2) " . . . satanic rationalisations which try to look like it (i.e. reason) under the guise of love". I think St Ignatius Loyola who famously composed rules for the discernment of spirits would be looking with approval on that formulation, Roy. The fog of dissembling cries out for dispersion by the penetration of Christ the Logos' light.
John RD | 20 February 2021


Thanks John RD. I suppose we could propose that Conscience bound is Reason or Liberty, and that Conscience unmoored is Irrationality or Licence. Liberty, unlike Licence, acknowledges that the right to your opinion does not include a right to your facts. Because humans cannot create the spiritual world, the ‘heavenlies’, to which the material world is moored, the constituent facts of the spiritual world, and many of those of the material world, are logically prior to a ‘conscience’.
roy chen yee | 22 February 2021


Well put, Roy. I imagine those who supported the fiendish "Termination of Pregnancy Bill" passed last week in South Australia's lower house - an achievement claimed as an "historic day for women" - followed their conscience. No consolation that, though, for the unborn, God help them.
John RD | 22 February 2021


Ach, Mein Gott! Where would we be without our very own Ignatian-invoking Tweedledum and Tweedledee, wh?
Michael Furtado | 22 February 2021


....whose greatest claim to fame is a capacity to split hairs finer and more infinitesimally constructed than even the smartest of atomic scientists! Though lost for words, I can at least applaud.
Michael Furtado | 22 February 2021


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